tv According to Lance CNN October 28, 2012 12:00am-1:00am PDT
this cnn center in atlantic. we want to update you on the breaking news we've been following. a tsunami is expected to hit hawaii just about 90 minutes from now, a little less than 90 minutes from now. a short time ago, i spoke to girard fryor with the pacific tsunami warning center. sth this is a full coastal evacuation. this is the real deal. we don't expect the sumo over it won't be as bad as the tsunami from japan back in 2011. but nevertheless, it is the genuine article. we're convince that had there will be flooding. >> all right. so people in hawaii on the move. the tsunami was generated by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake off western canada. and you are looking at a live look right now from hawaii. traffic is heavy, as you see on
some of the main roadways as people try to make it out of the lower lying areas, into the evacuation areas and up into higher ground. some people can also do what's called a vertical evacuation. just get to a higher floor on a building, a hotel, say, for example. other people do need to get in that traffic and get out of the way. in addition, a tsunami advisory which is less serious than a warning has been issued for northern california and southern oregon. the main focus right now is right there. on hawaii. where a tsunami warning is in place. less than 90 minutes from now. a succession of waves is expected to hit. let's get more on this. what's the latest? >> we know that this tsunami warning was generated from that 7.7 magnitude earthquake just off the coast of british columbia. just about the central coast. but it was about an hour or so before the warning, the tsunami
warning was issued for hawaii. now, we know that coming up at approximately 10:28 local time. so it is in the evening, going to be very difficult to see what the effects of that are. that is expected to be the beginning of a tsunami activity. and the first wave may not be the highest wave by any means. but you may actually see the water recede from the coast before we start to see that rush of water. it doesn't matter which facing beach you are. north, east, south or west. the tsunami water will rush in and essentially engulf those islands. meaning the wave will. the reason there's not a warning for the coast of british columbia and alaska and the northwest. there are advisories out for portions of those coasts is because they're so close to where it happened. it doesn't have the long distance to kind of build that
wave that is generate. but as you get close to shore, that wave is going to grow. and right now, they're suggesting that it is going to be approximately one to two meters. those are the estimates. now, there are measuring devices across the pacific, part of it is situated on the top. but then toward the bottom of the ocean, there is a measurement. and so when that starts shaking, it sends that information up. it is shot to a satellite and they make their estimates based on what they see from these information detectors that are on the bottom of the ocean. that's why this went from no warning, no advisories to all of a sudden, they were very concerned. because these devices, the measuring devices were saying, this looks more interesting than what our typical computer models are suggesting.
a warning issued for all the hawaiian islands. there's an advisory for most of the coast of british columbia. much of the coast of oregon and the northern coast of california. that's an advisory. so they're not expecting much of anything. that 7.7 magnitude earthquake probably, if it were very populated, which it isn't, they would have really felt that. the depth on that was about 17 kilometers, they're saying. so not as shallow as we initially thought and not as deep as some of the earthquakes can be. but definitely it sent out a warning that we could see this wave be generated across the pacific and affect the hawaiian islands coming up in the next 90 minutes or so. >> karen mcginnis, thank you very much. that quake certainly did shake the west coast of canada. the impact right now is being felt right here on the islands of hawaii where people are on
the move heeding the sirens and the warnings that a tsunami is on its way. it is only a little after 10:00 p.m. saturday night there. you're looking right now at hawaii news now. cnn affiliate, of course, covering this. giving people the information they need to get on their weigh and get out of harm's way. let's listen in. >> let's check in with the pacific tsunami warning center. >> he is on the job. they're working hard out there. >> i remember one thing did you the first time we did this. you grabbed the phone book. i hadn't thought of it at the time. i thought that was a genius. because it's what you need to know. >> it is really easy. just flip open. you have these colored pages here. right here. and you can take a look at the inundation zones if you live in those areas, of course, you're going to want to head to higher grounds. we have some handy maps as well. and guy has been tonight about having those tsunami preparedness kits.
>> a tsunami warning, whatever it is, you should have it by now. if you don't, it's not too late. do not hoard. that puts others in danger. and then the classic thing that i've seen people go back in. return it. so get what you need for tonight. so again, the tsunami warning is posted. that's the highest threat, the pacific tsunami warning center. that means the tsunami is on the way. it is imminent. we're expecting it to be about the size of you know, five feet over in maui, as well as over in hilo. so avoid driving tonight. vertical evacuation. if you're along the coastline, don't go in a car if you're in a high rise. you can get above the fourth floor. you should be fine. especially with the size of this tsunami. we're thinking between four and five feet above sea level.
limit your communication, please. and then these are the things that you should be gathering. gas, cash, food, water and of course, medicine if you can. as far as what we can expect, this is what we're expecting. this is at 10:28 tonight. you can see smaller waves are expected everywhere else. like ben was sayinger it won't come in a series of waves like you think of when you're surfing. it is a big surge that comes in. the first surge expected at 10:28 might not be the biggest surge. there will be waves, hours after that. the ocean will not be the same for a couple days with all kinds of strange currents. weird tidal changes. if you're along the coast, take precautions. we're asking people to evacuate and evacuate as soon as you can. well ahead of that wave at 10:28. >> guess who is evacuating right now? the team staying at the hotel right there at the bay front in
hilo. they're on the way out of town. their game has been canceled. we're hearing people are being evacuated from the hilo airport and they've had some problems with their sirens over there not going off in the beach park area. puna, a lot of the region not hearing the sirens. we were on the phone with state civil defense a little while ago. >> all right. we are listening now to hawaii news right now. cnn affiliate where you get the feeling they have been here before. they are used to these types of warnings. people are on the move getting out of the way. a tsunami is approaching. it is a little bit after 9:00 p.m. local time saturday night. i said 10:00 earlier. i need to correct myself. a little after 9:00 p.m. local time. and less than 90 spin from now, the first of the waves is expected to hit. people are being advised to move out or up into a high building. traffic is terrible.
people taking this very, very seriously indeed. once again, it was a 7.7 magnitude earthquake in canada that set a chain of events that has culminate in a tsunami warning for hawaii. a tsunami advisory for parts of canada's coast. all the way up to alaska and all the way down through oregon and parts of california. no ill in any event danger there. just an advisory. it is hawaii that people are watching out for right now. we will keep on top of this at cnn. we'll update you in less than 20 minutes from now. right now we'll take a short break and go back to world sport in progress. more sport coming up in a few minutes. >> announcer: you never know when, but thieves can steal your identity and turn your life upside down. >> hi. >> hi. you know, i can save you 15% today if you open up a charge card account with us. >> you just read my mind. >> announcer: just one little piece of information and they can open bogus accounts, stealing your credit, your money
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>> cycling legend lance armstrong had just been diagnosed with cancer. his closest friends gathered around. among them, betsy andrew and her fiance frankie, who was close to armstrong and rode with him on his team. >> frankie, lance. >> armstrong was due to consult with his doctors. what happened next shocked betsy andrew to the core. >> when the doctors came, i suggested we leave to give him his privacy. and he said, that's okay, you can stay. so we stayed, the doctor asked lance a couple of banal questions, and then, boom, have you ever used performance enhancing drugs? he rattled off -- my eyes popped out of my head and frankie said, i think we should left the room, and we left the room. and frankie and i had just been engaged six weeks previously. and i said, that's how he got his cancer. if you are doing that, i am not marrying you. we can stay, we can stay. >> years later, betsy and p
frankie andrew recalled under oath what had happened. >> the doctor asked him a couple of questions and then came the question, have you ever taken any performance enhancing drugs? and lance said, yes, the doctor said what were they? and he said, epo, growth hormone, cortizone, steroids, and testosterone. >> what is it mr. armstrong said in response to the doctor asking him about use of performance enhancing drugs? >> i don't know how the doctor phrased the question but lance's response was that he had taken epo and testosterone and growth hormone and cortizone. >> also in the hospital that day was stephanie mcelle vain who worked as a rep for one of lance armstrong's main sponsors, oakley. >> after we were deposed, the day after, stephanie called, sobbing. stephanie told me that her husband was called into one of
the higher-ups of the company where he is vice president of global marketing for oakley, one of lances's sponsors, and stephanie was told, if you make the company look bad, you're going to lose your job. and so we said, that's it, she's going to lie. she's going to lie. she's not going to say it happened. >> were you ever in a hospital room or another part of the hospital with mr. armstrong where he said anything about performance enhancing drugs? >> no. >> did you have any recollection of any doctor in your presence asking mr. armstrong if he used in the past any performance enhancing drugs or substances? >> no. >> stephanie mcilvane gave her sworn deposition at oakley's headquarters in california. the year before out of blue she had received a phone call from an american cycling legend.
>> stephanie? >> greg lemond calling. >> how are you? >> greg le mond in the leader's jersey. >> greg le mond was a three-time winner of the tour de france who insisted he never took drugs. >> lemond had fallen out with lance armstrong who he suspected of doping. and in 2004, he and stephanie mcilvain spoke about what occurred in the hospital. >> i heard from a source outside of the group here of what happened at the hospital, and betsy and i have talked a little bit, but -- and i'm not asking you to do anything you would never want to do, but, you know, if i did get down to where it was a, you know, lawsuit, would you be willing to testify or -- >> if i was subpoenaed, i would. >> yeah.
>> because i'm not going to lie. you know, i was in that room. i heard it. >> what stephanie mcilvain was that greg la mond was secretly recording that conversation. >> lance armstrong's lawyers immediately backed off this issue and we presented to the panel that stephanie mcilva had told two different stories about what happened in the hospital. >> in her last public statement, mcilvane insisted she had no knowledge of lance armstrong ever using performance enhancing drugs and armstrong and his doctors also maintained that he was never asked about them. >> do you deny the statements that ms. andreu attributed to you at the indiana university hospital? >> 100%. absolutely. >> did any medical person ask you while you were at the indiana university hospital whether you had used any sort of
performance enhancing drugs or substances? >> nope, absolutely not. >> can you offer or you can help explain to me why ms. andrew would make that story up? >> well, she said in her deposition she hates me. >> is it your testimony that mr. andrew was also lying when he said that he heard you say those things regarding -- >> 100%. i feel for him. >> what do you mean by that? >> well, i think he's trying to back up his old lady. >> how has lance armstrong treated you following this incident? >> oh, i mean, what he's -- how he has described me to people he presumed would never meet me is pretty amazing. think of just any derogatory adjective, and, you know, i'm basically nuts, just crazy. i'm really jealous, i'm hateful,
i'm vindictive, i'm bitter. and so this has been a quest to clear my name because i never, ever, ever lied about anything. ever. >> two days after the andreus gave their sworn evidence, university of indiana announced an endowment of $1.5 million for a chair in oncology to honor the doctor whose team read the armstrong for cancer. the endowment was funded by the lance armstrong foundation. >> i just want to be clear because these are very separate issues. i'm endowing, funding a chair for somebody who saved my life.
throughout the 1990s, cyclists and their teams worked hard to cover up the increasing use of performance enhancing drugs. their job was made easier by the fact that the drug of choice in the peloton at the time, the blood booster epo, was undetectible. so popular was epo that the peloton invented a term for riders who didn't use it. >> the translation was riding on bread and water.
the italian term is -- pan y ag you were a. so i was, yeah, i guess for the first few months of the '97 season i was riding on bread and water. >> tyler hamilton's revelations about drug taking in cycling have created headlines around the world. like many top racers, tyler hamilton started out as a drug-free rider. but when he joined the u.s. postal service team, he saw veteran riders getting preferential treatment, they would be given white lunch bags between races. he wanted his lunch bag, too. >> the doctor at u.s. postal service said i had enormous potential so basically eventually when i was invited -- when i was given my first white lunch bag, you know, it was a sign to me that they believed in
me, they believed in my potential and believed in my long-term talent. >> the lunch bags contained the banned drug epo designed to raise a cyclist's hemacrat level. >> your himatocrit is the level of red blood cells in your body. they carry oxygen to your muscle. the higher your percentage the better your muscles are going to operate under stress, so in laymen's terms the more red blood cells you have, the faster you're going to ride a bike. >> so what was the doctor's solution to raising those levels? >> couple months before, maybe a month and a half before my first tour de france, it was epo. >> under uci rules at the time,
riders were allowed a hematocrit level of 50% but no higher. tyler hamilton says doctors would tell riders what their glow time was with different drugs. >> you were given the limits on, you know, what product would -- how long you would glow for, how long you would test positive for. as long as you played by what the team doctors told you, it was more or less pretty much -- at the time it was pretty easy to pass the tests. i passed a couple hundred doping controls myself, you know. >> when lance armstrong joined the u.s. postal service team in 1998, following his recovery from cancer, he shared a room with tyler hamilton. did you both talk about drugs together? >> we did. we did. you know, it didn't -- it wasn't -- every conversation wasn't about drugs, but, yeah, we talked about it behind closed doors, absolutely. absolutely. '98 i was pretty green so i
asked a lot of questions and, you know, i learned a lot. >> so he was quite open with you. >> tyler hamilton says lance armstrong was surprisingly relaxed where he kept his epo. >> when i was at his house in nice, france, i asked him for some and he kindly said, yeah, no problem. and it was just on the inside door of his refrigerator, just in the box that it came in. you know, i was surprised it was right there, just kind of out in the open. >> french police began investigations into banned drugs including steroids found in one of the team cars in july 8th. a doctor was charged under france's anti-drugs act. >> as the 1998 tour de france got under way, the lid was blown off systematic doping in the peloton. >> it was pretty clear there was
a major problem. the french police are arresting team members or followers with industrial quantities of doping substances and equipment. >> the following year, the tour de france was billed as the tour of renewal. teams were terrified of being raided, but lance armstrong came prepared with a deliveryman in tow called motoman. >> motoman was this gardener/handyman for lance armstrong. the team i was on didn't carry performance enhancing drugs, so to get epo for the tour de france we came up with this and the plan had motoman involved where he would follow the race,
always stay within probably a half hour drive of our, motorcycle drive, from our hotel. he basically had the container filled with epo and he would basically just wait for a phone call on a secret phone. when he had to do a delivery, he'd do a delivery. >> and armstrong coming up now. can he get off to a great start in the tour de france? he is aiming at 8:09. he's certainly ahead at this point. goodness me, lance armstrong with that performance, paul, i think may have done enough. >> this is where the legend began. on the very first day of his comeback tour de france, lance armstrong won the prologue. >> lance armstrong has delivered a great blow. >> three weeks later, less than three years after being diagnosed with cancer, he won his first tour de france. it would be the first of seven. >> he came back again and again and again, winning tour after tour, and he did it seven times. and of course it's a record. nobody's ever done it, and it's for many people -- for many people it was unacceptable. it was impossible to do that without taking drugs. >> what do you think?
>> look, i admit i've been very proud to commentate on armstrong over the years because i've seen a man, see how he's battled the elements how he's come forward and i'm very sad. what do i think? everybody else did it so i find it very difficult not to think lance did it. or geico...as most of you know it. ...i propose savings for everyone! i'm talking hundreds here... and furthermore.. newcaster: breaking news. the gecko is demanding free pudding. and political parties that are actual parties! with cake! and presents! ah, that was good. too bad nobody could hear me. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first.
lance armstrong was charging to victory in the tour de france, cycling's biggest race. but the evidence suggests he was doping big-time. tyler hamilton says that after finishing a stage, he, armstrong, and their teammate kevin livingston would inject themselves with epo in the team's camper just meters from the excited fans outside. >> go, baby! >> that was nerve-racking because you're right there in the heart of the tour de france, thousands and thousands of people around, hovering around the team camper, and we had this performance enhancing drug. i remember just trying to get rid of it as quickly as possible because there was one for lance, one for kevin, one for myself. you quickly stuck it in, got rid of it, and then it was quickly hidden away, typically in like a
coke can, all three vials. we'd crush it, give it to a team doctor to dispose. >> but it didn't go all to plan. lance armstrong was tested for drugs during the tour, and one of his samples revealed a significant level of a banned court co-steroid. emma o'reilly was a swan yair on the team whose duties included given armstrong a massage after the rides. during one of these massages she says an urgent discussion took place between armstrong and the team's management. >> the conversation that was occurring really was, what are we going to do, here's the problem. we need a solution. and how do we act upon the solution? and are we happy with the solution? so it was -- the problem was lance had tested high in the cortizone, the solution was
potential prescription. what was the prescription for? why was he taking it? are we all happy with that? yeah, we're happy with that. all right, let's go down and speak with luis, the team doctor, and get him to write the prescription. >> dr. luis del morale has been issued a lifetime sporting ban by the u.s. anti-doping agency, usada. emma o'reilly says the doctor issued a prescription to armstrong for a cream and back-dated it. >> had he complained to you about saddle sores? >> no, no. it wasn't about saddle sores. the whole thing was just a back-dated prescription to help kind of explain his elevated cortizone level in the test. >> of course, if he had been prescribed this cream, then it should have been listed as a -- on the therapeutic exemption. >> yeah. and it wasn't because he wasn't taking the cream. it was just purely back-dated to cover up that cortizone elevation, yeah.
the back-dated prescription was rigged to suit the test. >> when she was subpoenaed to give sworn evidence, emma o'reilly insisted that her memory was clear. >> is there any doubt in your mind as to what happened and what you heard? >> none whatsoever. at all. i can still to this day picture the whole scene vividly. >> she was labeled a traitor by lance armstrong. she was told she'd never work in the business again by the armstrong group. we found her to be extremely credible on the issues and the things she said she had seen and done. >> lance armstrong escaped being sanctioned for having a banned court i co-steroid in his system. in $2000, a test was introduce for epo. tyler hamilton says that he and lance armstrong continued to dope, using microdoses of epo which would pass through the
body more rapidly and an undetectible type of doping, blood transfusions. under this procedure, blood would be taken from a cyclist, stored in a refrigerator, and then reinfused at a later date, boosting the cyclist's red blood cells. >> it seemed kind of -- sort of caveman-like, taking out your own blood, not seeing it for three or four weeks, then getting it back in. reinfusing it back in. >> who was organizing all of that? >> lance and you know, dr. del morale. >> johannes braneel, once the director of the u.s. postal team says he will fight the charges
at an arbitration later this year. neither brakneel nor dr. luis demorale has been charged with a crime. both deny the allegations, though tyler hamilton tells a different story. he says after stage 11 of the 2000 tour de france, he and armstrong and kevin livingston had their blood reinfused. everything was handled by the team's management. >> we were in this small hotel. it was pretty wild. i arrived in my room, and the staff had sort of prepared everything, the doctors, and there was a blood bag taped up on the wall, hanging from the wall, and a red tube come -- a tube filled with blood coming down. basically, you know, they injected me here. i have pretty small veins so the one place that always worked was right there.
you can see the scars today. >> tyler hamilton says the three riders lay on beds in adjoining rooms with an open door between them. could you see lance armstrong? >> yeah. the question's been asked a lot. yeah, i saw him. i saw his bag of blood and saw it in his arm, yeah. >> they were taking a huge gamble. >> i'm just glad we didn't get caught. i would have been -- we all would have been. serious stuff. now looking back, oh, my god, what was i doing? but you're so deep into it, you know, you don't even have time to take a half step back and look at the big picture. >> in 2005, lance armstrong denied under oath ever having received a blood transfusion. >> you've never used your own
blood for doing purposes, for example? >> that would be banned. >> i'm not trying to agitate you. just trying to make sure your testimony is clear. >> okay. >> all right. >> the whole point of blood doping is to increase the number of red cells in your circulation. the blood transfusions have the advantage of not being detectible, even today. we don't have a foolproof method of establishing when an athlete has reinfused their own blood. >> so does that mean that athletes now and cyclists now are transfusing their own blood back into themselves? >> there's no doubt. there's no doubt that's happening. [ male announcer ] this is steve.
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in 2005, lance armstrong won an unprecedented seventh straight victory in the tour de france, then left the stage to huge acclaim. but a month later, the epo which motoman had delivered during his first tour delivery came back to haunt him. the sensational scoop in a french newspaper, lance armstrong was accused of lying about performance enhancing drugs. >> in french, it means that, yes, is a liar but all history is a liar.
>> lance armstrong swears he has never taken performance enhancing drugs and that in over 500 tests throughout his career he never once tested positive. but the stronger scientific evidence that he was doping comes from this highly specialized french laboratory. testers here found clear evidence of epo in samples which were later identified as lance armstrong's. during the '99 tour which armstrong won, urine samples from the riders were sent to this lab on the outskirts of paris to be tested. so what is this room? >> this room is the -- room. in this room we perform the anti-doping analysis for review. >> at the time, a test for epo was still not ready. >> the test for detection of epo was develop nd this laboratory.
it took a very long time, it took about six years to develop this test, and it was ready in 2000. >> four years later, as part of the lab's research but not as part of a formal testing process, the 1999 samples were reexamined, and some were found to contain the banned drug. six samples given by lance armstrong were found to contain epo. why was it only revealed years later that these samples belonged to lance armstrong? >> it was only a coincidence of events. a journalist requested from the cycling governing body, the uci, to have access to some of lance armstrong's doping control forms. the uci voluntarily gave all of armstrong's forms from that race
to the journalist, who then cross-matched the led numbers on the forms with the samples that had been analyzed quite separately by the laboratory, and he was the one that matched the led numbers to the samples that contained epo. >> the lines here are a delineation -- >> mike ashendon is a former independent expert for the uci who helped develop a blood test for epo for the sydney olympics. which of these samples belongs to lance armstrong? >> if we go to the doping control form, we see 160297, and that corresponds with this sample here, 160297 and we see that for that sample there was 100% basic icoforms, which tells us that the system was flooded with synthetic epo when that sample was provided. >> at what stage in the tour was that taken? >> that was the prologue, that was the first day of the '99
tour. >> is there any doubt in your mind that the positive results for epo were scientifically correct? >> yes, there are scientifically correct. >> do you know whether or not the samples -- >> when questioned about this under oath, lance armstrong put forward an alternative explanation. >> i can only believe that they either are not mine or have been manipulated because when i pissed in the bottle, as i told you earlier, having never taken performance enhancing drugs, there was not epo in that piss, or urine. >> lance armstrong, when he criticized those results, alleged that maybe those samples had been spiked or manipulated. is there any truth in that? >> no.
armstrong. >> rather than open the doors and say, let's try and understand what's going on here inside of their sport, they instead, as far as i could work out, tried to shut the case down. >> should the uci have acted on those results? >> in my view, of course they should have. they had the power to say, all right, you doped, you're out. >> on one other occasion, the uci chose not to act. in 2001, tyler hamilton alleges lance armstrong tested positive for epo. >> luckily we had the right people on our side. >> the test occurred during that year's tour of switzerland. tyler hamilton says lance armstrong's adviser on doping, the italian dr. mckaly ferrari, had told armstrong to take micro doses of epo to ensure he didn't
test positive. usada says that in all lance armstrong paid dr. ferrari more than a million dollars for his doping advice. but on this occasion, it went wrong. >> he told me he had a positive test for epo, which was very surprising because it seemed like it was foolproof. >> my understanding is that a sample had been provided and analyzed by the laboratory and they had found that there was evidence of synthetic epo in that sample. >> while ferrari denies all allegations against him, he has been banned for life by usada. uci says tyler hamilton's claims about the 2001 test result are completely unfounded. but less than a year after the
tour of switzerland, lance armstrong wrote a personal check to the uci for $25,000 and pledged a further $100,000 in 2005. in his sworn evidence, armstrong's recollection of his donations was vague. >> you have made a contribution or donation to the uci, have you not? >> i have, yes. >> do you know when that was made? >> some years ago. i don't recall exactly. >> 2000, for example? i don't know. >> was there anything that occasioned that, that you recall? like i'm doing it because of x, y or z? >> i'm doing it to fund it the fight against doping. >> for an athlete to be paying money to the people who police him is -- it's unconscionable. >> to have somebody who's at the center of the controversy make this kind of a donation to the
organization that has the power to sanction him sets up an impossible conflict of interest. >> lance armstrong is not alone among drug cheats. since 1998, more than one-third of the top ten finishers in the tour de france have been linked to doping. but the will of the uci to shut down the doping networks has been doubted by many. yurg yakshire is a former cyclist who questions uci's desire to stamp out doping. from his earliest days as a professional, he was told how the system works. >> everyone in our team does it. the team pays for it. and, yes, i was confronted with the situation, that there is organized doping in cycling. >> yur yakshire and tyler hamilton's careers hit the skids when 2006 spanish police conducted a raid on a doctor in
madrid and found blood bags, drugs and paperwork implicating them and other cyclists. yurg yakshire had raced with several different teams being but when he met with the uci to tell them everything he knew, he says they failed to act on his detailed revelations. >> as far as i know, no one of my team managers of my team doctors got questioned by the uci. there was no written accusation, nothing. it's like having a deceased body, a dead body, in your basement. it stinks a little after a while and it's going to come up more and more and more and one day the police is going to find it. and the information is there, the uci did very little or nothing about it. so it's their problem if the basement stinks. >> just recently, the uci finally took action, stripping armstrong of his seven tour de france titles. now, more than ever, it's not
about the bike. it's about the truth. >> i was kicking and screaming when i had to tell the truth, but little did i know it was the best thing i ever could have done. >> what lance never had was the truth, which is more powerful than the corrupt athlete. >> how could it have taken place? >> whether lance armstrong will ever confess to doping remains to be seen. in 2005, his denials were passionate. >> how many times do i have to say it? >> i'm just trying to make sure your testimony is clear. >> if it can't be any clearer that i've never taken drugs, then incidents like that never could have happened. how clear is that? >> it was really hard for us to tell if lance actually believed what he was telling and had convinced himself that he hadn't done these things, or that he was just a very persuasive liar. >> attorney jeff tillotson and the insurer are demanding the return of the bonus money paid to armstrong, even threatening further legal action.
lance armstrong has been stripped of his titles, high-profile sponsorships, much of his prize money, and leadership role at livestrong. but he says he's moving on and will not be distracted from his work with livestrong and the fight to beat cancer. the stakes could hardly be higher. >> i know the power of this man when he walks into the room, and i know the hope he gives cancer survivors. i mean, i don't know if he is proven to have taken drugs how he can face any of these people because, i mean, he can call up barack obama. he has his cell phone number on his cell phone. how can you call up these people knowing you have taken drugs all your life to cheat seven tours? it's a problem i wouldn't want. >> if you have a doping offense or test positive, it goes without saying that you're fired from all of your contracts, not just the team but there's numerous contracts that i have
that would all go away. >> sponsorship agreements, for example. >> all of them. and the faith of all the cancer survivors, everything i do off of the bike would go away, too. and don't think for a second i don't understand that. it's not about money for me. everything. it's also about the faith that people have put in me over the years. so all of that would be erased. so i don't need it to say in a contract, you're fired if you test positive. that's not as important as losing the support of hundreds of millions of people.